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Tiffany and Valerie conclude their interview with a conversation about how much Tiffany learned in the process of her therapy experience. She came to understand that her childhood experiences embedded in her certain ‘safety protocols’ that she reflexively moved into when she felt threat and that in her marriage, she need no longer do this, even though her spouse was changing. Other reflections on the value of the therapy experience and how ‘worth it’ it was for her.